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Cycle World says they fixed the doohickey ...
...by fixing the cam chain guides!
"...as Kawi also seems to have fixed The Doohickey; the cam chain guide is said to be stronger, made from new materials, and with a new shape..."
 
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...Performance has also been improved with revised intake and exhaust cam profiles resulting in increased power and torque in the mid range...
You can imagine what went through my head when I read this for the first time. And the header pipe is intriguing, being almost 8mm smaller in diameter.

It is odd that they have put another clutch in the thing, but this time they have also revised the clutch rod bearing, which was never a problem. The marketing department says it makes things 'smoother', though.
 
You can imagine what went through my head when I read this for the first time. And the header pipe is intriguing, being almost 8mm smaller in diameter.
It could be that the Tail pipe outlet is 7.7mm smaller diameter. At least the muffler appears to have a replaceable 'Tail Cap' held on with 3 shiny retainers.
But the header pipe does seem to have a 'step-down' in it.

Did any of our membership ever purchase a '97 - '07 KLX300R dirt bike? The muffler outlet could be plugged with the tip of a pinky finger!
 
I read this "The exhaust pipe diameter has been reduced by 7.7 mm to improve mid-range torque characteristics to better suit everyday riding. An oxygen sensor provides feedback to the fuel injection system, contributing to cleaner exhaust emissions and increased fuel efficiency." and interpreted that as the head pipe. It sorta looks like the pipe clamp is different and there does look to be a step-down. I couldn't find a good picture.
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At least they are keeping the price down in true KLR tradition. $7,000 aint bad compared to everything else out there.
But, who will spend $7000 for it? I've not seen anyone post so far that they are going to replace their current KLR with this "new" one. So, that basically means the market segment that wants/needs the low price in order to commute or do some light off road are the potential sales. A friend of mine is the GM at the local Kawasaki dealer. He commented that interest in the KLR really tailed off around 2015 at their dealership. Up to the point where the 2018 was not available, he said he had only sold "a few".
 
Again....everyone with the weight!

Where do you think you guys are at?.....Honda Grom forum?....CRF250 Adventure forum?!?

This is KLR forum...is the weight a shock to anyone? Am I the only one with a 450lb KLR?
A Gen1 KLR is heavy.....a Gen2 KLR is too heavy.....a Gen3 KLR is ludicriously heavy for a 34hp bike with offroad aspirations. It's heavier than a Tenere 700 or KTM790 which are both twin cylinder ADV bikes. No it isn't a shock, and most KLR riders won't notice the extra porkage but I'm just gonna keep riding my modded gen1 KLR's which are 354 lbs wet, no fuel.

Dave
 
Like most things in life (for me I guess anyway) the anticipation was much greater than the realization. Guess I won’t be making any plans to ride my 2015 to the dealer for a new KLR. Really not worth it. I was told that the new KLR might have a V-Twin. Guess I’ll have to ride my Honda Transalp if I want a V-twin 600. Here I go again – do the rearview mirrors look smaller on the new version or is it just me? 😂 I’m sure they’re the same size as the latest models. Of course, if they were larger you must know they’d cost far too much. Oh well.

Now, I know a lot of you don’t like graphics on your KLRs, but I like mine on my KLR. However, the graphics shown on the new KLR leave a lot to be desired as far as I’m concerned. Again, Oh well.
 
Looks as though I double posted. Not sure how that happened????? Just not my day I guess.
 
I noted some useful changes.
1. Alternator output is up to 26 amps from 17. That’s a significant step up for those who want to power heated clothes and other gadgets.
2. LED headlights will reduce electrical load leaving even more juice for other purposes.
3. New fairing looks like it will provide better protection form wind and rain. Taller windshield too.
4. Rubber mounted handlebar and foot pegs will smooth the vibes.
5. EFI almost Certainly will improve fuel consumption. Maybe up to 60mpg?

The other stuff you can read, but those I think are good upgrades to call out. Those won’t make me trade in my 2013/692 with all the improvements on it, but for a new buyer I think it’s a good value proposition.
 
A Gen1 KLR is heavy.....a Gen2 KLR is too heavy.....a Gen3 KLR is ludicriously heavy for a 34hp bike with offroad aspirations. It's heavier than a Tenere 700 or KTM790 which are both twin cylinder ADV bikes. No it isn't a shock, and most KLR riders won't notice the extra porkage but I'm just gonna keep riding my modded gen1 KLR's which are 354 lbs wet, no fuel.

Dave
I'm not going to argue the weight issue....she's definitely the fat girl at the dance no doubt.

But if I'm understanding the specs correctly the 460 is curb weight no? Fill your 1st gen to the tippy top and your knocking on the door of 400lbs. 60lbs is not a lot but it is at the same time. My 1st gen DR650 is 405lbs soaking wet but it's kick start only and 46hp. Lastest generation DR soaking wet is 370 and the difference off road is a lot but it never felt like the old DRs and many gravitated to the KLR for that reason.

I'm personally glad it looks and will probably feel like the KLR we all know and love and I for one am glad it didn't morf into a parallel twin adventure rig with modes for this and that..... there are plenty of options out there for people who want to gravitate to that
 
I'm not going to argue the weight issue....she's definitely the fat girl at the dance no doubt.

But if I'm understanding the specs correctly the 460 is curb weight no? Fill your 1st gen to the tippy top and your knocking on the door of 400lbs. 60lbs is not a lot but it is at the same time. My 1st gen DR650 is 405lbs soaking wet but it's kick start only and 46hp. Lastest generation DR soaking wet is 370 and the difference off road is a lot but it never felt like the old DRs and many gravitated to the KLR for that reason.

I'm personally glad it looks and will probably feel like the KLR we all know and love and I for one am glad it didn't morf into a parallel twin adventure rig with modes for this and that..... there are plenty of options out there for people who want to gravitate to that
Sorry, mine are lighter because of the mods I've done. Stock Gen1, wet full tank weighs 399lbs (as you've noted). Gen2's seem to be between 424 and 432 lbs. These "Gen3's" are said to be 456 w/o ABS and 461 with ABS.......the other models (472 and 487) are because they have bags so I don't think it's fair to throw their weights into the mix.

How important the weight is depends on usage; for me 60lbs is a ton. My bikes are 70-75 lbs lighter than the new KLR. That said, I'm well aware that my usage is atypical and I'm sure the new bike will be a sales hit. Kawi would have had it's hands full competing with the Tenere or AT.....now they don't have to.

Dave
 
‘Cause they didn’t change it? Actually it is supposed to have a little more midrange. Which, if the exterior of the engine is the same, means that at some point you could swap the smaller headpipe onto your Gen1 or Gen2.

I also gotta think that with EFI, there are a few more ponies on tap, and when Eagle Mike starts tuning them, he will come out with some improved fuel/ignition maps that will add 5-10%. they might not be “street legal” but that hasn’t stopped people from fiddling with the maps yet.
 
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Again....everyone with the weight!

Where do you think you guys are at?.....Honda Grom forum?....CRF250 Adventure forum?!?

This is KLR forum...is the weight a shock to anyone? Am I the only one with a 450lb KLR?
Sorry about talking smack about polished turds..I really love my 98 klr650 .had it for six months now preceded by 4 years of Honda xr400r ownership,riding mostly single track ..I guess weight is relative and I've got a long weigh to go on mastering my KLR..I'm on the weigh to weighing 450 ..side racks in transit..Happy Trails to all..Sunny day here ,about to hit it
 
Since we’ve gotten back onto the weight issue, I’d really Ike to see Kawi or another manufacturer rethink the ADV bike concept.

Current ADV bikes are based on some kind of dirt or dual purpose bike modified mostly to carry more shit a further distance, with a lot of the appearance driven by marketing departments that want it to look like a Paris-Dakar racer.

Reality check: has anyone here ridden PD? I didn’t see any hands go up. What we end up doing with our bikes is a lot more quotidian. And to deal with the everyday uses, we end up spending hundreds of dollars putting on heavy crash bars and bark busters and other stuff to protect the expensive, fragile, lightweight plastic parts; and then we spend hundreds more dollars to hang panniers and pannier racks and other heavy parts to allow us to carry more shit.

Instead, I’d like to see an ADV bike designed with a perimeter frame, including a skid plate as an integral part, that surrounds the engine in such a way that protects from damage without adding another 20 lbs of crash bars. The gas tank should be made of polypropylene, like the IMS tanks so that they are inherently damage resistant, or should also fit inside the perimeter frame (think Ducati Monster style). And the rear frame should be designed wide enough so that panniers mount directly to it, instead of requiring another 10 lbs of mounting racks. And while we dreaming it, I want a front fairing made of polypropylene or polyurethane that can take a beating and bending and not break, and a polycarbonate windshield for the same reason. Something like the Gen 1 fairing, but significantly bigger to provide more wind and rain protection.

Surely some Moto-designer somewhere has doodled this in his sketch pad. I’d like to see it built.

No, don’t wake me up yet...
 
‘Cause they didn’t change it? Actually it is supposed to have a little more midrange. Which, if the exterior of the engine is the same, means that at some point you could swap the smaller headpipe onto your Gen1 or Gen2.

I also gotta think that with EFI, there are a few more ponies on tap, and when Eagle Mike starts tuning them, he will come out with some improved fuel/ignition maps that will add 5-10%. they might not be “street legal” but that hasn’t stopped people from fiddling with the maps yet.
I don't even think the "non street legal" maps for EFI are going to make much difference for power.....probably about the same as stock jetting to KLX jetting. Kawi claims an "improvement" in mid range torque and tout a smaller header.....but that's probably offset by a WOT power drop.

Reminds me of an article by Jeep magazine back in the day (I had the same TJ they tested so I was interested); they tested K&N filters, cold air intakes, hi flow exhaust and tuners - at the end of the day they lost 2hp! Finally they just added a supercharger - that worked!

Not trying to be a "Debbie downer" or rain on anyone's excitement but I predict that time will prove that the "Gen3" produces pretty much the same power as a Gen1 and 2.....maybe as much as a jetted Gen1/2 but probably not as they still have to meet emmissions. Reading between the lines makes me think that actual internal engine changes (especially ones that would effect power) are very minor at best. Is it possible the new KLR has 2-3 more hp? sure, it's possible. Is it possible it has more than an older KLR with a jet kit and airbox mods? yep, but probably not. I would imagine the big advantages from the new EFI system will be ease of operation and better economy....not power.

Dave
 
Since we’ve gotten back onto the weight issue, let me throw some ideas out. I’d really Ike to see Kawi or another manufacturer rethink the ADV bike design.

Current ADV bikes are based on some kind of dirt or dual purpose bike modified mostly to carry more shit a further distance, with a lot of the appearance driven by marketing departments that want it to look like a Paris-Dakar racer.

Reality check: has anyone here ridden PD? I didn’t see any hands go up. What we end up doing with our bikes is a lot more quotidian. And to deal with the everyday uses, we end up spending hundreds of dollars putting on heavy crash bars and bark busters and other stuff to protect the expensive lightweight plastic parts; and then we spend hundreds more dollars to hang panniers and pannier racks and other heavy parts to allow us to carry more shit.

Instead, I’d like to see an ADV bike designed with a perimeter frame, including a skid plate as an integral part, that surrounds the engine in such a way that protects from damage without adding another 20 lbs of crash bars. The gas tank should be made of polypropylene, like the IMS tanks so that they are inherently damage resistant, or should also fit inside the perimeter frame (think Ducati Monster style). And the rear frame should be designed wide enough so that panniers mount directly to it, instead of requiring another 10 lbs of mounting racks. And while we designing it, I want a front fairing made of polypropylene or polyurethane that can take a beating and bending and not break. Something like the Gen 1 fairing, but significantly bigger to provide more wind and rain protection.

Surely some Moto-designer somewhere has doodled this in his sketch pad. I’d like to see it built.

No, don’t wake me up yet...

You are HIRED! :LOL:
 
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